So true. It’s amazing how the ‘Elf ‘n’ Safety industry has decided “But cycling is daynjeruss, innit!” They never address the two-ton metal speeding elephants in every room. So tired of all the victim blaming they do.
No, Yehuda’s being intelligent, figuring out how to capitalize on the current safety-nanny attitude. Now, we wait for the liberals to make it mandatory. For your own good, of course.
When I was inretail, it struck me hwo so many people who would never sell themselves into slavery expect others to give them things essentially for free.
Anybody here ever develop a product? I have. It takes time, effort, and money, and even if you have it produced by someone else, you have to soruce materials, ride herd on quality, manage invetory (which also costs you money, unless you somehow find storage space for free), pay for publicity, manage retail and wholesale operations, and of course pay for th space–be it birck and mortar or online–that it all happens in. And make enough to live on too.
Amen! Probably the truest analysis of the average American cyclist going. Ghod forbid we risk anything at all in life. Everything must be perfectly SAFE!!!!!!!
Good for you Yehuda. Take advantage of people’s fears and get filthy rich. Now that is the American way. Small business shall lead the economic recovery, and no, the Pres didn’t build that.
The helmet and safety thing is getting a little worn out lately. Ther is only so much worthwhile material that can be squeezed out of Yehuda’s distain for persnal saftey equipment.
There were some really interesting story lines going on before thestrips hiatus that I am hoping get picked up again. Way more interesting than just complaining about helmets and cars.
Maybe but they are the ‘meat’ of most cyclist’s complaints and fuel a lot of discussion.
At one time, the simple mention of a helmet would get pages of dialogue going regarding the pros and cons.
Rick has promised to fill in all the missing items in good time.
Give him time to develop them properly so that the result will be worth it when it comes….
I don’t mean to offend anyone, but, with all respect… an “anti-(safety-hysteria)-hysteria” seems to me actually the same thing as the “safety-hysteria” itself. Just saying.
You have seen his cap right?
Note this comment on ‘Walz’ website:
‘Each of our cycling cap designs offers clean lines for a snug cycling cap that fits nicely under a cycling helmet.’
Yes I see the words: ‘Under a cycling helmet’ but there have been posts, I think, suggesting that the cap itself was adequate to reduce road rash – the most likely safety of a helmet…
Try pasting into Notepad before copying and pasting here – I often have to in order to prevent ‘Word’ etc from screwing stuff up. It gives you a simple text item to paste. There are other text editiors?
Widsith, I was going to say the same thing, but we don’t need a another war. Since you started it though, I use Vi too. I don’t want to break my “ctrl” key using the other OS….I mean text editor
I don’t think you have to worry about starting a war. There probably aren’t that many people here who even know what vi or Emacs are, let alone have an opinion about which is better.
Seems to me that the helmet/safety conundrum will never be solved. This holds true in nearly any activity where safety equipment is seen as optional: skiing, roller blades, any skating, cycling, motorcycles and ATV’s. The list goes on and on. Those who want to wear safety equipment will and and those who don’t won’t. Simple as that. I think we’re missing the point of Yehuda’s tirade. Doesn’t anyone smell the sarcasm in that last frame? Love the look on Thistle’s face. I view cycling body armor as optional but a good idea in some situations. As has been mentioned, downhill or 4X, agressive mountain bike riding or even some BMX riding. Pushing the envelope can result in injury and having equipment available to prevent or reduce serious injury is smart. On the oposite side of that is the person who may have taken a tumble at some point and was afraid to get back on a bike. If he/she sees some sort of body armor as a way back on a bike while reducing the risk, then another cyclist is on the road/trail and its a win win. I have a buddy that rides cross country MTB in nearly full DH body armor. It is over kill for the type of terrain and the style of riding, but if it gets him out on the bike then its good. Cheers to all.
I don’t think anyone cares if person “x” wears a helmet – what gets folks riled up, myself included, is the “Liberal establishment cradle-to-grave Nanny state” taking away our Goddess given RIGHT to self-determination. Do NOT make my choices for me – and I won’t make yours for you!
FWIW, I wear a helmet on my commute – its a narrow, high speed road that is strewn with junk and potholes. On the rare occasions I ride in a typical surburban neighborhood, I forgo the helmet – its not needed.
Of course, collar bones heal and so do elbows, and can even be rebuilt but the brain is a one shot deal. Hence helmet hysteria. Anyway, patiently waiting for the anti-helmet pepper deluge (pepper is a spice, not a staple by the way, doesn’t taste good by the cupfull in my opinion) to wear itself out like so many rants against vaccinations or gun control or any of the other things folks get in a tizzy over. I read comics to laugh and be amused. I can take pointers from them too but when all I get from them is pointers, I confess, my interest begins to wane.
The horse is dead, guys. I have no idea if it was wearing a helmet or not, but either way, kicking it won’t do much. Storylines? Jokes about stinky summer lycra? Fizz? There are a ton of more interesting things than helmets. Hell, I work to get kids into cycling and even with that, helmets are an uninteresting topic.
Looks like at least according to some sources, head injuries are up there as far as traumatic injuries go. I’d like to see the sources Yehuday draws from for his stats of elbows and collar bones.
“Head injuries occur in 22 to 47 percent of injured bicyclists, often as a result of collision with a motor vehicle, and are responsible for over 60 percent of all bicycle-related deaths and the majority of long-term disabilities.”
But only MotorCycle helmets may have done some good in helping the injured avoid damage.
Polystyrene cycling helmets will only help in self-inflicted injuries or when the Motor doesn’t hit the injured part?
I guess that quite a large number of the cycling-related injuries (of various kinds) never make it to the statistics. On the other hand, if a cyclist DOES injure his/her head severely and is taken to the hospital by an ambulance, that, of course, will be recorded most certainly.
Most of head injuries are incured when the head strikes something after the cyclist becomes dismounted not from cars hitting them. It is the secondary impact that is the killer not the initial impact (unless of course the car by some strange chance strikes the head in the first impact, I guess recumbent riders are off the hook by that logic). Most cars do not strike cyclists on the head. Car hits cyclist then cyclist loses control and hits head on pavement. There is disinformation spread on both sides of the fence and folks without evidence to support their viewpoint could be doing more harm than good. Not ripping on Rick and his assertions, but I’d like to see some of the stats that show helmets aren’t what everyone says they are cracked up to be. So far the stats I have seen are pretty compelling. Secondly, do you mean to say that if you knew you were going to be struck on the head that you would rather have nothing than a bike helmet?
Here is a quote from a study I recently read with the link below it-
The most careful, conservative estimates from good studies show that the reduction in risk of head injury to a bicyclist as a result of wearing a helmet is in the order of 45 per cent. In other words, at the very minimum a helmet halves the risk of head injury.
I got hit in the head by the front grill of a garbage truck and hit my head on the ground last year. Just sayin’. I’m all for helmets, but don’t really understand why it’s such a heated issue. If someone feels strongly about it, let them do what they want.
If you have a problem with wearing a helmet because you don’t like being told what to do, that’s fine. But chill out about it. Maybe even consider the advantages and disadvantages without taking the “Safety industrial complex” into account.
I got hit with a school bus’s rearview mirror so the irony is rife I admit. I don’t have an issue with folks wearing helmets or not. When they start pratttling about helmets not making a difference when data clearly shows that they do, then I’m a little irritated. Misinformation irritates me and with election season in full swing I’m about to get a good whooping of it.
The “data clearly shows that they do” only if you believe the data is accurate and hasn’t been distorted by people with an agenda to push helmet usage. I don’t happen to believe that. Given a choice between statistics and my own personal experience, I’ll choose personal experience every time.
So true. It’s amazing how the ‘Elf ‘n’ Safety industry has decided “But cycling is daynjeruss, innit!” They never address the two-ton metal speeding elephants in every room. So tired of all the victim blaming they do.
I’m not sure how to interpret that last panel. Is Yehuda starting to turn to the Dark Side; i.e., Republicanism?
Nope, looks like Yehuda’s becoming a douchebag.
No, Yehuda’s being intelligent, figuring out how to capitalize on the current safety-nanny attitude. Now, we wait for the liberals to make it mandatory. For your own good, of course.
I believe Yehuda, like many of us, also eats.
When I was inretail, it struck me hwo so many people who would never sell themselves into slavery expect others to give them things essentially for free.
Anybody here ever develop a product? I have. It takes time, effort, and money, and even if you have it produced by someone else, you have to soruce materials, ride herd on quality, manage invetory (which also costs you money, unless you somehow find storage space for free), pay for publicity, manage retail and wholesale operations, and of course pay for th space–be it birck and mortar or online–that it all happens in. And make enough to live on too.
Amen! Probably the truest analysis of the average American cyclist going. Ghod forbid we risk anything at all in life. Everything must be perfectly SAFE!!!!!!!
Good for you Yehuda. Take advantage of people’s fears and get filthy rich. Now that is the American way. Small business shall lead the economic recovery, and no, the Pres didn’t build that.
People who are scared of bikes buy cars.
The helmet and safety thing is getting a little worn out lately. Ther is only so much worthwhile material that can be squeezed out of Yehuda’s distain for persnal saftey equipment.
There were some really interesting story lines going on before thestrips hiatus that I am hoping get picked up again. Way more interesting than just complaining about helmets and cars.
Maybe but they are the ‘meat’ of most cyclist’s complaints and fuel a lot of discussion.
At one time, the simple mention of a helmet would get pages of dialogue going regarding the pros and cons.
Rick has promised to fill in all the missing items in good time.
Give him time to develop them properly so that the result will be worth it when it comes….
I don’t mean to offend anyone, but, with all respect… an “anti-(safety-hysteria)-hysteria” seems to me actually the same thing as the “safety-hysteria” itself. Just saying.
After years and years of hearing people harping on “safety” all the time, I tend to tune them out when I hear them use that word.
so how come Yeheda creates all of this “safety” stuff and never wears a helmet?
He knows it’s unnecessary, and only created that stuff to make money from it.
You have seen his cap right?
Note this comment on ‘Walz’ website:
‘Each of our cycling cap designs offers clean lines for a snug cycling cap that fits nicely under a cycling helmet.’
Yes I see the words: ‘Under a cycling helmet’ but there have been posts, I think, suggesting that the cap itself was adequate to reduce road rash – the most likely safety of a helmet…
I just tested the link and it didn’t work, but goes to the same place as Walz’ link at the top…
I wonder how Rival Cycles is doing
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If I heifer see anyone low enough to milk a cash-cow I steer well-clear (tho’ I did once buy another jersey because it was fresian that day)
Sorry, everyone, I promise not to cut and paste again.
Try pasting into Notepad before copying and pasting here – I often have to in order to prevent ‘Word’ etc from screwing stuff up. It gives you a simple text item to paste. There are other text editiors?
The world doesn’t revolve around microsoft word – which is 10,000X overkill for the vast majority of editing tasks…
I use vi for editing almost everything.
Widsith, I was going to say the same thing, but we don’t need a another war. Since you started it though, I use Vi too. I don’t want to break my “ctrl” key using the other OS….I mean text editor
I don’t think you have to worry about starting a war. There probably aren’t that many people here who even know what vi or Emacs are, let alone have an opinion about which is better.
VI, wow. It’s my favourite when on Linux. Context is my preferred on Window.
Wonder what you cruise the Internet on.
Seems to me that the helmet/safety conundrum will never be solved. This holds true in nearly any activity where safety equipment is seen as optional: skiing, roller blades, any skating, cycling, motorcycles and ATV’s. The list goes on and on. Those who want to wear safety equipment will and and those who don’t won’t. Simple as that. I think we’re missing the point of Yehuda’s tirade. Doesn’t anyone smell the sarcasm in that last frame? Love the look on Thistle’s face. I view cycling body armor as optional but a good idea in some situations. As has been mentioned, downhill or 4X, agressive mountain bike riding or even some BMX riding. Pushing the envelope can result in injury and having equipment available to prevent or reduce serious injury is smart. On the oposite side of that is the person who may have taken a tumble at some point and was afraid to get back on a bike. If he/she sees some sort of body armor as a way back on a bike while reducing the risk, then another cyclist is on the road/trail and its a win win. I have a buddy that rides cross country MTB in nearly full DH body armor. It is over kill for the type of terrain and the style of riding, but if it gets him out on the bike then its good. Cheers to all.
I don’t think anyone cares if person “x” wears a helmet – what gets folks riled up, myself included, is the “Liberal establishment cradle-to-grave Nanny state” taking away our Goddess given RIGHT to self-determination. Do NOT make my choices for me – and I won’t make yours for you!
FWIW, I wear a helmet on my commute – its a narrow, high speed road that is strewn with junk and potholes. On the rare occasions I ride in a typical surburban neighborhood, I forgo the helmet – its not needed.
Of course, collar bones heal and so do elbows, and can even be rebuilt but the brain is a one shot deal. Hence helmet hysteria. Anyway, patiently waiting for the anti-helmet pepper deluge (pepper is a spice, not a staple by the way, doesn’t taste good by the cupfull in my opinion) to wear itself out like so many rants against vaccinations or gun control or any of the other things folks get in a tizzy over. I read comics to laugh and be amused. I can take pointers from them too but when all I get from them is pointers, I confess, my interest begins to wane.
The horse is dead, guys. I have no idea if it was wearing a helmet or not, but either way, kicking it won’t do much. Storylines? Jokes about stinky summer lycra? Fizz? There are a ton of more interesting things than helmets. Hell, I work to get kids into cycling and even with that, helmets are an uninteresting topic.
http://www.aafp.org/afp/2001/0515/p2007.html
Looks like at least according to some sources, head injuries are up there as far as traumatic injuries go. I’d like to see the sources Yehuday draws from for his stats of elbows and collar bones.
“Head injuries occur in 22 to 47 percent of injured bicyclists, often as a result of collision with a motor vehicle, and are responsible for over 60 percent of all bicycle-related deaths and the majority of long-term disabilities.”
But only MotorCycle helmets may have done some good in helping the injured avoid damage.
Polystyrene cycling helmets will only help in self-inflicted injuries or when the Motor doesn’t hit the injured part?
I guess that quite a large number of the cycling-related injuries (of various kinds) never make it to the statistics. On the other hand, if a cyclist DOES injure his/her head severely and is taken to the hospital by an ambulance, that, of course, will be recorded most certainly.
Most of head injuries are incured when the head strikes something after the cyclist becomes dismounted not from cars hitting them. It is the secondary impact that is the killer not the initial impact (unless of course the car by some strange chance strikes the head in the first impact, I guess recumbent riders are off the hook by that logic). Most cars do not strike cyclists on the head. Car hits cyclist then cyclist loses control and hits head on pavement. There is disinformation spread on both sides of the fence and folks without evidence to support their viewpoint could be doing more harm than good. Not ripping on Rick and his assertions, but I’d like to see some of the stats that show helmets aren’t what everyone says they are cracked up to be. So far the stats I have seen are pretty compelling. Secondly, do you mean to say that if you knew you were going to be struck on the head that you would rather have nothing than a bike helmet?
Here is a quote from a study I recently read with the link below it-
The most careful, conservative estimates from good studies show that the reduction in risk of head injury to a bicyclist as a result of wearing a helmet is in the order of 45 per cent. In other words, at the very minimum a helmet halves the risk of head injury.
http://www.helmets.org/henderso.htm
I got hit in the head by the front grill of a garbage truck and hit my head on the ground last year. Just sayin’. I’m all for helmets, but don’t really understand why it’s such a heated issue. If someone feels strongly about it, let them do what they want.
If you have a problem with wearing a helmet because you don’t like being told what to do, that’s fine. But chill out about it. Maybe even consider the advantages and disadvantages without taking the “Safety industrial complex” into account.
I got hit with a school bus’s rearview mirror so the irony is rife I admit. I don’t have an issue with folks wearing helmets or not. When they start pratttling about helmets not making a difference when data clearly shows that they do, then I’m a little irritated. Misinformation irritates me and with election season in full swing I’m about to get a good whooping of it.
The “data clearly shows that they do” only if you believe the data is accurate and hasn’t been distorted by people with an agenda to push helmet usage. I don’t happen to believe that. Given a choice between statistics and my own personal experience, I’ll choose personal experience every time.