Comments on: 07/11/2012 – Full of Holes http://yehudamoon.com/20120711/ Sun, 19 May 2013 12:46:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: bikininthesnow http://yehudamoon.com/20120711/#comment-58875 bikininthesnow Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:36:55 +0000 http://kickstandcomics/07112012/#comment-58875 I will never trash anybody for not wearing a helmet, nor do I disagree with you. However I gotta say this: The vast majority of bicycle accidents ARE people "falling from a STATIONARY standing position to the ground". I will never trash anybody for not wearing a helmet, nor do I disagree with you.
However I gotta say this: The vast majority of bicycle accidents ARE people “falling from a STATIONARY standing position to the ground”.

]]> By: @VexedVeloist (formerly Pashley_Moulton) http://yehudamoon.com/20120711/#comment-52533 @VexedVeloist (formerly Pashley_Moulton) Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:02:09 +0000 http://kickstandcomics/07112012/#comment-52533 <span style="">Cycle helmets are only designed to withstand an impact equivalent to an adult falling from a STATIONARY standing position to the ground. They are not designed for high speed impacts. What you are wearing is, in fact, just a placebo.  <br/> <br/>The gold standard for cycle helmets id the Snell B90 standard. That ensures a helmet will survive an impact of "<span style="">100 J for all testing regardless of headform size or weight. Given an ideal frictionless mechanical test facility, this impact energy represents a 2.2+ meter drop of 5 kg</span>"  <br/> <br/>You can read the standard for yourself here: <a href="http://www.smf.org/standards/b/b90astd" rel="nofollow">http://www.smf.org/standards/b/b90astd</a>  <br/> <br/>The sections you're looking for are E 4.3 and E 4.4.</span> Cycle helmets are only designed to withstand an impact equivalent to an adult falling from a STATIONARY standing position to the ground. They are not designed for high speed impacts. What you are wearing is, in fact, just a placebo.  
 
The gold standard for cycle helmets id the Snell B90 standard. That ensures a helmet will survive an impact of “100 J for all testing regardless of headform size or weight. Given an ideal frictionless mechanical test facility, this impact energy represents a 2.2+ meter drop of 5 kg”  
 
You can read the standard for yourself here: http://www.smf.org/standards/b/b90astd  
 
The sections you’re looking for are E 4.3 and E 4.4.

]]> By: Alan http://yehudamoon.com/20120711/#comment-52509 Alan Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:52:18 +0000 http://kickstandcomics/07112012/#comment-52509 @ Tencon - you won't see this unless you look back on previous days for late comments, but: Full body neoprene coverall - try watersports shops. They're called wet suits. (I think most recreational wet suits are less than quarter inch thick - you need one for diving) - but if you wear it out of the water and especially for anything active (like cycling) you will stand a risk of hyperthermia. @ Tencon – you won’t see this unless you look back on previous days for late comments, but:

Full body neoprene coverall – try watersports shops. They’re called wet suits. (I think most recreational wet suits are less than quarter inch thick – you need one for diving) – but if you wear it out of the water and especially for anything active (like cycling) you will stand a risk of hyperthermia.

]]> By: NutCracker http://yehudamoon.com/20120711/#comment-52532 NutCracker Thu, 12 Jul 2012 06:31:40 +0000 http://kickstandcomics/07112012/#comment-52532 The quesiton is not "who will win the car VS bike battle?", but "can it safe your brain?"  And the answer is... YES! Helmets can sometimes prevent serious accidents from becoming worse tragedies, whether a cyclist goes down by its own or if involved in a car collision. I know many cyclists who could testify on that one, based on experience. It's like cars without seatbelts, drinking alcool while driving, cigarette, etc. It all used to be perfectly safe, until... The quesiton is not “who will win the car VS bike battle?”, but “can it safe your brain?”  And the answer is… YES! Helmets can sometimes prevent serious accidents from becoming worse tragedies, whether a cyclist goes down by its own or if involved in a car collision. I know many cyclists who could testify on that one, based on experience. It’s like cars without seatbelts, drinking alcool while driving, cigarette, etc. It all used to be perfectly safe, until…

]]> By: Opus the Poet http://yehudamoon.com/20120711/#comment-52508 Opus the Poet Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:40:13 +0000 http://kickstandcomics/07112012/#comment-52508 Look in a dive shop or a tri shop for a wet suit or a dry suit. I would suggest saving the dry suit for winter as they are made for cold water dives. Look in a dive shop or a tri shop for a wet suit or a dry suit. I would suggest saving the dry suit for winter as they are made for cold water dives.

]]> By: Ben http://yehudamoon.com/20120711/#comment-52498 Ben Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:20:31 +0000 http://kickstandcomics/07112012/#comment-52498 I feel like these discussions often end in anger because one side hears "I'm going to force you to wear a helmet now, and kneepads, elbowpads, flame-retardant suit etc. later" and the other hears "I don't care about your injuries, you should just get better at falling/riding/not crashing and then you won't need a helmet." I think they are both erroneous.  There are fervent believers in wearing a helmet, often because of personal experience (like me) and people who hate having a big stryofoam mushroom hat on their head because they feel it's uncomfortable and unnecessary.  We don't have to agree, and we don't have to attack each other, but let's keep talking about it, respectfully. PS to Anon's point, even with insurance, getting in a crash with a motor vehicle is a long, drawn-out mess. (In my personal experience, anyway.) I feel like these discussions often end in anger because one side hears “I’m going to force you to wear a helmet now, and kneepads, elbowpads, flame-retardant suit etc. later” and the other hears “I don’t care about your injuries, you should just get better at falling/riding/not crashing and then you won’t need a helmet.”

I think they are both erroneous.  There are fervent believers in wearing a helmet, often because of personal experience (like me) and people who hate having a big stryofoam mushroom hat on their head because they feel it’s uncomfortable and unnecessary.  We don’t have to agree, and we don’t have to attack each other, but let’s keep talking about it, respectfully.

PS to Anon’s point, even with insurance, getting in a crash with a motor vehicle is a long, drawn-out mess. (In my personal experience, anyway.)

]]> By: @VexedVeloist (formerly Pashley_Moulton) http://yehudamoon.com/20120711/#comment-52530 @VexedVeloist (formerly Pashley_Moulton) Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:56:42 +0000 http://kickstandcomics/07112012/#comment-52530 Another way to huarantee being seen by motorists is to ride without lights at night... (<--- joke folks, don't actually do this!)... Because I've lost count of the times I've seen and heard motorists complaining about the amount of cyclists they see without lights on their bikes at night... Another way to huarantee being seen by motorists is to ride without lights at night… (<— joke folks, don’t actually do this!)… Because I’ve lost count of the times I’ve seen and heard motorists complaining about the amount of cyclists they see without lights on their bikes at night…

]]> By: Anon http://yehudamoon.com/20120711/#comment-52499 Anon Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:54:51 +0000 http://kickstandcomics/07112012/#comment-52499 I had a lassiez-faire attitude about it until I remember clipping in at the start of a group ride and only remember waking up in a ER bed. I have a nice cracked polystyrene helmet and a few hours of memory loss; and am still assessing lingering effects to this day. All I've been told is that I went over the handlebars during a sprint and that I was still conscious at the end of it. Considering the total memory loss associated with the event, and the real risk of a subdural hematoma (and the expensive-without-insurance CT scan to verify)... Perhaps the real lesson is to have health insurance, but that might be more molly-coddling than the helmet statement. Both are incindiary at this point. I had a lassiez-faire attitude about it until I remember clipping in at the start of a group ride and only remember waking up in a ER bed. I have a nice cracked polystyrene helmet and a few hours of memory loss; and am still assessing lingering effects to this day.

All I’ve been told is that I went over the handlebars during a sprint and that I was still conscious at the end of it. Considering the total memory loss associated with the event, and the real risk of a subdural hematoma (and the expensive-without-insurance CT scan to verify)…

Perhaps the real lesson is to have health insurance, but that might be more molly-coddling than the helmet statement. Both are incindiary at this point.

]]> By: Tencon http://yehudamoon.com/20120711/#comment-52507 Tencon Wed, 11 Jul 2012 19:35:40 +0000 http://kickstandcomics/07112012/#comment-52507 (Please don't mention a sex shop :-) (Please don’t mention a sex shop :-)

]]> By: Tencon http://yehudamoon.com/20120711/#comment-52506 Tencon Wed, 11 Jul 2012 19:35:15 +0000 http://kickstandcomics/07112012/#comment-52506 Where can I get a full body Neoprene coverall? :-) Where can I get a full body Neoprene coverall? :-)

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