Comments on: 07/04/2008 – Try It Loaded Up http://yehudamoon.com/20080704/ Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:38:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Andrew http://yehudamoon.com/20080704/#comment-4736 Andrew Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:45:18 +0000 http://localhost/kickstandcomics/07042008/#comment-4736 @ Andy I think your Drazi comment just sent me into geek overload :D @ Andy
I think your Drazi comment just sent me into geek overload :D

]]> By: 2whls3spds http://yehudamoon.com/20080704/#comment-4737 2whls3spds Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:23:04 +0000 http://localhost/kickstandcomics/07042008/#comment-4737 WHEN someone can provide me with solid research data that helmets work and that they are tested to a proper standard I will reverse my position that it is a personal choice and nothing more or less. Aaron WHEN someone can provide me with solid research data that helmets work and that they are tested to a proper standard I will reverse my position that it is a personal choice and nothing more or less.

Aaron

]]> By: mike http://yehudamoon.com/20080704/#comment-4738 mike Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:29:57 +0000 http://localhost/kickstandcomics/07042008/#comment-4738 "3. for some stupid reason, drivers take a helmeted rider more seriously." Maybe, but according to this study we'd be safer in a wig: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/5334208.stm I do not wear the skull bucket when on the bak heading into town or running errands. I do wear a helmet when I'm out 'recreating' and on long distance, self supported rides. I used to wear one when I could bounce off of rocks and trees in the woods. Look at some of the helmet study data and lets remember that this should be a personal choice. A helmet is good in certain circumstances - and in others due to the lever effect it can actually accelerate the head and cause further injury. To each his own - but please - lets not force helmets on each other - if people continue the need to 'gear up' to ride a bike - buying armor, helmets, specialized clothing - it will never become a practical alternative (here in the US) as it is most everywhere else. It seems that in locales where bikes play a high mode share of everyday transit - the helmet is hard to find... http://littlecircles.blogspot.com/ “3. for some stupid reason, drivers take a helmeted rider more seriously.”

Maybe, but according to this study we’d be safer in a wig:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/5334208.stm

I do not wear the skull bucket when on the bak heading into town or running errands. I do wear a helmet when I’m out ‘recreating’ and on long distance, self supported rides. I used to wear one when I could bounce off of rocks and trees in the woods.

Look at some of the helmet study data and lets remember that this should be a personal choice. A helmet is good in certain circumstances – and in others due to the lever effect it can actually accelerate the head and cause further injury.

To each his own – but please – lets not force helmets on each other – if people continue the need to ‘gear up’ to ride a bike – buying armor, helmets, specialized clothing – it will never become a practical alternative (here in the US) as it is most everywhere else. It seems that in locales where bikes play a high mode share of everyday transit – the helmet is hard to find…

http://littlecircles.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Gavin http://yehudamoon.com/20080704/#comment-4739 Gavin Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:42:10 +0000 http://localhost/kickstandcomics/07042008/#comment-4739 Laws that are made "because some parents don't parent," miss the mark entirely because they allow those parents to abdicate their responsibilities and turn them over to the Nanny State. Parents should have the full rights and responsibilities over their children. The government should not be involved with imposing such things as helmet laws, child seat laws, or manditory vaccinations and compulsory education. A parent should be educated enough to make choices and take risks at their own discretion regarding their children. A parent will not be a better parent if the government does it all for them. Instead, another generation will rise up thinking that the government can, should, and will make all their decisions for them. I understand those that don't want to debate. I do have a few points for them to consider however. 1: Rick makes social commentary in his cartoon, including helmets. (See 311 and 312) 2: Most of us find ourselves as advocates for bicycling among co-workers, friends, relatives and other associates. Which may involve both debate and Yehuda Moon (He has found a prominent location at my place of work). 3: Discussion and debate are an important part of the American way of life and no positive change can happen without pursuading others through the presentation of facts and discussion of possibilities. I will note that I wear a helmet now and encourage my children to do the same. On most occasions, my wife WILL NOT wear a helmet. I note this because I was one of the kids that jumped off dirt mounds, fell down ravines under my MTB and stupidly rode my road bike out into traffic (RIP Peugeot), all without a helmet, even though my parents had provided me with more than one. People learn and they change. I have my reasons for wearing a helmet. 1. A guy can only be lucky so many times. 2. I have five kids who need a dad. 3. for some stupid reason, drivers take a helmeted rider more seriously. Laws that are made “because some parents don’t parent,” miss the mark entirely because they allow those parents to abdicate their responsibilities and turn them over to the Nanny State. Parents should have the full rights and responsibilities over their children. The government should not be involved with imposing such things as helmet laws, child seat laws, or manditory vaccinations and compulsory education. A parent should be educated enough to make choices and take risks at their own discretion regarding their children. A parent will not be a better parent if the government does it all for them. Instead, another generation will rise up thinking that the government can, should, and will make all their decisions for them.

I understand those that don’t want to debate. I do have a few points for them to consider however.
1: Rick makes social commentary in his cartoon, including helmets. (See 311 and 312)
2: Most of us find ourselves as advocates for bicycling among co-workers, friends, relatives and other associates. Which may involve both debate and Yehuda Moon (He has found a prominent location at my place of work).
3: Discussion and debate are an important part of the American way of life and no positive change can happen without pursuading others through the presentation of facts and discussion of possibilities.

I will note that I wear a helmet now and encourage my children to do the same. On most occasions, my wife WILL NOT wear a helmet. I note this because I was one of the kids that jumped off dirt mounds, fell down ravines under my MTB and stupidly rode my road bike out into traffic (RIP Peugeot), all without a helmet, even though my parents had provided me with more than one. People learn and they change. I have my reasons for wearing a helmet. 1. A guy can only be lucky so many times. 2. I have five kids who need a dad. 3. for some stupid reason, drivers take a helmeted rider more seriously.

]]> By: Susan, Minneapois http://yehudamoon.com/20080704/#comment-4740 Susan, Minneapois Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:25:18 +0000 http://localhost/kickstandcomics/07042008/#comment-4740 I wasn't going to comment again, but no Karl, my comment was not a plant to start a flame war on the issue of helmets. I said it "bothered me" that they did not have helmets on. I never stated that helmets were mandatory or made a comment on the right to wear a helmet or not. Common sense might say that if you are learning a new skill, you might take some protective measures. Most parents would protect your children. Is this just a comic, yes, but it also makes plenty of political statements. But I stand with you on the issue of the debate - let's enjoy the cartoon . I wasn’t going to comment again, but no Karl, my comment was not a plant to start a flame war on the issue of helmets. I said it “bothered me” that they did not have helmets on. I never stated that helmets were mandatory or made a comment on the right to wear a helmet or not. Common sense might say that if you are learning a new skill, you might take some protective measures. Most parents would protect your children. Is this just a comic, yes, but it also makes plenty of political statements.

But I stand with you on the issue of the debate – let’s enjoy the cartoon .

]]> By: Karl OnSea http://yehudamoon.com/20080704/#comment-4741 Karl OnSea Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:44:34 +0000 http://localhost/kickstandcomics/07042008/#comment-4741 I'm with BillC on this one, and I'm starting to wonder if Susan's original comment wasn't a plant to start just this kind of "I'm right and on the side of righteousness", "No, I'm right and on the side of freedom" debate! My personal thinking is that . . . . . . nope - 'nuff said. Let's just save this debate for somewhere where there isn't a great cartoon to enjoy. I’m with BillC on this one, and I’m starting to wonder if Susan’s original comment wasn’t a plant to start just this kind of “I’m right and on the side of righteousness”, “No, I’m right and on the side of freedom” debate!

My personal thinking is that . . .

. . . nope – ’nuff said. Let’s just save this debate for somewhere where there isn’t a great cartoon to enjoy.

]]> By: Andy http://yehudamoon.com/20080704/#comment-4742 Andy Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:04:55 +0000 http://localhost/kickstandcomics/07042008/#comment-4742 Purple Drazi vs Green Drazi! Purple Drazi vs Green Drazi!

]]> By: BillC http://yehudamoon.com/20080704/#comment-4743 BillC Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:42:36 +0000 http://localhost/kickstandcomics/07042008/#comment-4743 Ohhh... a helmet war. How original. Let's debate abortion while we're at it. Ohhh… a helmet war. How original. Let’s debate abortion while we’re at it.

]]> By: Mark http://yehudamoon.com/20080704/#comment-4744 Mark Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:36:01 +0000 http://localhost/kickstandcomics/07042008/#comment-4744 Blue, I agree that it's sad that some feel they have to impose their opinion on everybody. That said, I agree 100% with any law like in CA where you have to where a helmet to a certain age(i believe it's 16 or 18..) I say this because we have way too many idiotic parents that don't want to "parent" their children. Thats why we have to have these laws. You have no idea how many times as a child I saw kids down at the local vacant lot building dirt ramps and such, then jumping and hitting a hight of over 5 feet, all without a helmet. It's irresponsible to let a child who isn't old enough to understand and have the experience to know what safety is to determine what safety measures they should take. But yes, for adults, I believe it should be a choice. Blue, I agree that it’s sad that some feel they have to impose their opinion on everybody. That said, I agree 100% with any law like in CA where you have to where a helmet to a certain age(i believe it’s 16 or 18..)
I say this because we have way too many idiotic parents that don’t want to “parent” their children. Thats why we have to have these laws. You have no idea how many times as a child I saw kids down at the local vacant lot building dirt ramps and such, then jumping and hitting a hight of over 5 feet, all without a helmet. It’s irresponsible to let a child who isn’t old enough to understand and have the experience to know what safety is to determine what safety measures they should take.

But yes, for adults, I believe it should be a choice.

]]> By: Blue http://yehudamoon.com/20080704/#comment-4745 Blue Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:19:18 +0000 http://localhost/kickstandcomics/07042008/#comment-4745 Could one of the helmet advocates answer one question for me? And please be honest with yourself. Why do those who wear helmets feel that they must FORCE others to wear one? I know you consider it safer. That's not the question. The question is why make a law and tell the police to use their gun to FORCE others to do what you are doing? Why? I can understand promoting helmet use. I just can't understand why people shouldn't be allowed to choose for themselves. Could one of the helmet advocates answer one question for me? And please be honest with yourself.

Why do those who wear helmets feel that they must FORCE others to wear one?

I know you consider it safer. That’s not the question. The question is why make a law and tell the police to use their gun to FORCE others to do what you are doing?

Why?

I can understand promoting helmet use. I just can’t understand why people shouldn’t be allowed to choose for themselves.

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